Setchi lab notes #4
Anyway, I'll only be going over 1 thing today, but it applies to all characters so you might find it useful. Maybe not.
First off, when Jigglypuff double jumps she extends her hurtbox (like a balloon) and with every jump this hurtbox extension becomes less and less significant.
Also, Jigglypuff has a very small ledge grab box
http://imgur.com/1jh6hZM
The red and blue boxes on both sides of Puff are her ledge grab boxes, and basically if the ledge grab box is adjacent to the ledge and Puff has negative vertical velocity (downwards) then she will grab the ledge.
In that image, it shows her after her first aerial jump. As you can see, her hurtbox is just about level with her ledge grab box, which means that pretty much any move that hits even a little under the stage will hit her trying to double jump sweetspot with her first one. These can include Falcon's utilt, Marth's dtilt, etc. etc. etc.
First off, when Jigglypuff double jumps she extends her hurtbox (like a balloon) and with every jump this hurtbox extension becomes less and less significant.
Also, Jigglypuff has a very small ledge grab box
http://imgur.com/1jh6hZM
The red and blue boxes on both sides of Puff are her ledge grab boxes, and basically if the ledge grab box is adjacent to the ledge and Puff has negative vertical velocity (downwards) then she will grab the ledge.
In that image, it shows her after her first aerial jump. As you can see, her hurtbox is just about level with her ledge grab box, which means that pretty much any move that hits even a little under the stage will hit her trying to double jump sweetspot with her first one. These can include Falcon's utilt, Marth's dtilt, etc. etc. etc.
http://imgur.com/dmXAqB3
This image shows Puff after her last jump. As you can see, her hurtbox is much lower than the other image.
For moves to hit Puff sweetspotting with that jump, it must reach below the ledge greater than the gap between the top of the red box and Puff's hurtbox.
Let's look at Falcon's utilt:
http://imgur.com/Gv8i1dB
As you can see, the utilt reaches low enough under the stage to hit Puff's last jump sweetspot.
Here's a gif showing this:
https://gfycat.com/FaintInsignificantBluefish
This image shows Puff after her last jump. As you can see, her hurtbox is much lower than the other image.
For moves to hit Puff sweetspotting with that jump, it must reach below the ledge greater than the gap between the top of the red box and Puff's hurtbox.
Let's look at Falcon's utilt:
http://imgur.com/Gv8i1dB
As you can see, the utilt reaches low enough under the stage to hit Puff's last jump sweetspot.
Here's a gif showing this:
https://gfycat.com/FaintInsignificantBluefish
So what can Puff do to avoid Falcon's utilt?
Well..... sing or pound!
http://imgur.com/z1I7z5S (sing)
http://imgur.com/HaY8Gfg (pound)
As you can see, the gap between Puff's hurtbox and the top of the ledge grab box is much larger, large enough so that Falcon cannot utilt her!
So what does Falcon have that will go that will go that low?
Thankfully, Falcon has stomp!
If Puff sings and you stomp her, she loses all of her jumps and falls to her death!
In response to pound you might even be able to do some weird waveland off uair shenanigans on reaction.
However, if you stomp her pound or her double jump then she can meteor cancel.
Well..... sing or pound!
http://imgur.com/z1I7z5S (sing)
http://imgur.com/HaY8Gfg (pound)
As you can see, the gap between Puff's hurtbox and the top of the ledge grab box is much larger, large enough so that Falcon cannot utilt her!
So what does Falcon have that will go that will go that low?
Thankfully, Falcon has stomp!
If Puff sings and you stomp her, she loses all of her jumps and falls to her death!
In response to pound you might even be able to do some weird waveland off uair shenanigans on reaction.
However, if you stomp her pound or her double jump then she can meteor cancel.
- TL;DR:
Puff's jump sweetspot is bad and can be hit by stuff like Falcon's utilt and Marth's dtilt. But she can sing or pound to make it better, but those are hit by stomp and whatnot.
Puff's jump sweetspot is bad and can be hit by stuff like Falcon's utilt and Marth's dtilt. But she can sing or pound to make it better, but those are hit by stomp and whatnot.
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