Setchi lab notes #9
It's been a while... sorry :(
Been focusing on things other than labbing, like working on my neutral game and whatnot recently and so I haven't been thinking about making lab notes!
But, I'm back now with PAL Sheik whiffed rest punishes!
NTSC Sheik's tend to do dthrow nair for damage, obviously this doesn't work in PAL and so we need to find alternatives. Also kill options.
Currently, a lot of Sheiks' decide to fully charge dsmash or usmash. I'm going to show why this isn't the best option most of the time. Fully charged dsmash and non tippered usmash deal 18% damage.
Percent builders/combo's
1. Dair to Nair (do from 23% to ?%):
Unstaled, this combo does 25%, already more than a fully charged smash attack.
Here's a gif:
https://gfycat.com/JoyfulMelodicFreshwatereel
They can ASDI down though, but you can react to this.
If they ASDI down and tech in place/missed tech, dsmash on reaction. This will do 24% as a combo.
If they ASDI down and tech roll, dash attack. This will do 21% as a combo.When the dair no longer combos to nair you could uair or fair depending on DI.
The reason you don't do this combo below 23% is because they would be able to ASDI down pseudo CC and punish you hard (rest). So don't.
2. The PAL combo (do at around 30%)
https://gfycat.com/YoungGlassFlyingfish
Uair... to uair... to uair...
Does 28% if uair is unstaled.
Looks like PAL dair has some pretty funny uses lol
3. Needle grab dthrow dash attack (use from 0-22%, before you can dair nair)
Doesn't need a gif.
Does 21% if unstaled.
The dash attack is on DI away, you need to react.
Boost grab does NOT work on DI down and away, they can jump out.Kill options
1. Fully charged non tippered usmash
Doesn't need a gif, will kill off the top of FD at 71%
2. Tippered usmash through platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4OW8rBmkI
Will kill Puff off the top of Yoshi's story at 35%
3. Uair fair near ledge (around 67% on FD)
Situational, and just outside of usmash kill %. But has to be mentioned regadless.
https://gfycat.com/DaringUnnaturalBluewhale
Didn't kill in the gif.... sad times. Could possibly kill though, so I mentioned it anyway.
4. Transform to Zelda then bair/fair them.
Kills off the top of FD at 66%, will kill off the sides earlier if you're close to them.
However, they can amsah tech the bair/fair. If they do, IMMEDIATELY transform back and continue the fight as Sheik.
https://gfycat.com/HardtofindDampKusimanse
You could get around this by being tricky with your fair/bair timings.
5. Fully charged Zelda fsmash
They can't CC it due to being in rest.
Will kill off the top of FD at 58%
However, you probably won't have time to set this up, so don't be too reliant on it,
SDI could make this option obsolete.
Been focusing on things other than labbing, like working on my neutral game and whatnot recently and so I haven't been thinking about making lab notes!
But, I'm back now with PAL Sheik whiffed rest punishes!
NTSC Sheik's tend to do dthrow nair for damage, obviously this doesn't work in PAL and so we need to find alternatives. Also kill options.
Currently, a lot of Sheiks' decide to fully charge dsmash or usmash. I'm going to show why this isn't the best option most of the time. Fully charged dsmash and non tippered usmash deal 18% damage.
Percent builders/combo's
1. Dair to Nair (do from 23% to ?%):
Unstaled, this combo does 25%, already more than a fully charged smash attack.
Here's a gif:
https://gfycat.com/JoyfulMelodicFreshwatereel
They can ASDI down though, but you can react to this.
If they ASDI down and tech in place/missed tech, dsmash on reaction. This will do 24% as a combo.
If they ASDI down and tech roll, dash attack. This will do 21% as a combo.When the dair no longer combos to nair you could uair or fair depending on DI.
The reason you don't do this combo below 23% is because they would be able to ASDI down pseudo CC and punish you hard (rest). So don't.
2. The PAL combo (do at around 30%)
https://gfycat.com/YoungGlassFlyingfish
Uair... to uair... to uair...
Does 28% if uair is unstaled.
Looks like PAL dair has some pretty funny uses lol
3. Needle grab dthrow dash attack (use from 0-22%, before you can dair nair)
Doesn't need a gif.
Does 21% if unstaled.
The dash attack is on DI away, you need to react.
Boost grab does NOT work on DI down and away, they can jump out.Kill options
1. Fully charged non tippered usmash
Doesn't need a gif, will kill off the top of FD at 71%
2. Tippered usmash through platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4OW8rBmkI
Will kill Puff off the top of Yoshi's story at 35%
3. Uair fair near ledge (around 67% on FD)
Situational, and just outside of usmash kill %. But has to be mentioned regadless.
https://gfycat.com/DaringUnnaturalBluewhale
Didn't kill in the gif.... sad times. Could possibly kill though, so I mentioned it anyway.
4. Transform to Zelda then bair/fair them.
Kills off the top of FD at 66%, will kill off the sides earlier if you're close to them.
However, they can amsah tech the bair/fair. If they do, IMMEDIATELY transform back and continue the fight as Sheik.
https://gfycat.com/HardtofindDampKusimanse
You could get around this by being tricky with your fair/bair timings.
5. Fully charged Zelda fsmash
They can't CC it due to being in rest.
Will kill off the top of FD at 58%
However, you probably won't have time to set this up, so don't be too reliant on it,
SDI could make this option obsolete.
